Comments on: Blogging the Trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/ by Jane Austen Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:00:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: links for 2010-06-02 | Michael Ong | On9 Systems http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81853 links for 2010-06-02 | Michael Ong | On9 Systems Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:10:17 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81853 <p>[...] doombot » Blogging the Trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back (tags: movies commentary starwars) [...]</p> [...] doombot » Blogging the Trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back (tags: movies commentary starwars) [...]

]]> By: zelnox http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81798 zelnox Sat, 29 May 2010 16:22:00 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81798 <p>5 years after this is written, still fun to read.</p> 5 years after this is written, still fun to read.

]]> By: Linkdump for May 27th at found_drama http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81772 Linkdump for May 27th at found_drama Fri, 28 May 2010 02:03:06 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81772 <p>[...] doombot » Blogging the Trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back via DF: If it were only that the prequels were ruined by subpar writing, I would be okay. Disappointed, but hardly inconsolable. Maybe Lucas had just caught lightning in a bottle with the originals. But unfortunately, the nature of the prequels seems to spoil the originals merely by occupying shelf space near them, via some sort of heinous osmosis. Now, if you watch the prequels before the original trilogy (in chronological order), the ending of Empire is completely without weight. The biggest reveal in the history of cinema is ruined. Sure, there’s the dramatic irony of watching Episode IV and V knowing Luke and Leia are siblings and Vader is their father, but it’s not played for dramatic irony; for that you need suspense, and the climax of Empire is dependent on surprise, not suspense. It is the reason I will ensure that my children not watch the prequels until they’ve seen the original trilogy (in whatever form it exists by that point). (tagged: starwars ) [...]</p> [...] doombot » Blogging the Trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back via DF: If it were only that the prequels were ruined by subpar writing, I would be okay. Disappointed, but hardly inconsolable. Maybe Lucas had just caught lightning in a bottle with the originals. But unfortunately, the nature of the prequels seems to spoil the originals merely by occupying shelf space near them, via some sort of heinous osmosis. Now, if you watch the prequels before the original trilogy (in chronological order), the ending of Empire is completely without weight. The biggest reveal in the history of cinema is ruined. Sure, there’s the dramatic irony of watching Episode IV and V knowing Luke and Leia are siblings and Vader is their father, but it’s not played for dramatic irony; for that you need suspense, and the climax of Empire is dependent on surprise, not suspense. It is the reason I will ensure that my children not watch the prequels until they’ve seen the original trilogy (in whatever form it exists by that point). (tagged: starwars ) [...]

]]> By: mike http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81750 mike Wed, 26 May 2010 18:03:39 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81750 <p>a lot of debate has gone into the best order to show all 6 movies to someone who hasn't seen any of them. i wish i could remember where i read this, but here's my take: IV, V, I, II, III, VI this way you get the impact of A New Hope, followed by the cliffhangers and revalations in Empire. then you go to the prequels for a flashback, finally wrapping everything up with Jedi.</p> a lot of debate has gone into the best order to show all 6 movies to someone who hasn’t seen any of them. i wish i could remember where i read this, but here’s my take: IV, V, I, II, III, VI this way you get the impact of A New Hope, followed by the cliffhangers and revalations in Empire. then you go to the prequels for a flashback, finally wrapping everything up with Jedi.

]]> By: Philip http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81747 Philip Wed, 26 May 2010 08:50:48 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81747 <p>Great stuff... but when will you post your thoughts on Jedi? It's been almost 5 years; even Jedi followed quicker on Empire's heels!</p> <p>And yes, of course, when he's old enough, my (now 3-week-old) boy will watch all six films in the order God intended, and he will call Star Wars "Star Wars", NOT "Episode IV" or "A New Hope". Similarly, he will read the Chronicles of Narnia starting with "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe", and "The Magician's Nephew" will remain right where it should: as Book Six.</p> Great stuff… but when will you post your thoughts on Jedi? It’s been almost 5 years; even Jedi followed quicker on Empire’s heels!

And yes, of course, when he’s old enough, my (now 3-week-old) boy will watch all six films in the order God intended, and he will call Star Wars “Star Wars”, NOT “Episode IV” or “A New Hope”. Similarly, he will read the Chronicles of Narnia starting with “The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe”, and “The Magician’s Nephew” will remain right where it should: as Book Six.

]]> By: Required Reading | ❖ The Brannan Blog http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81739 Required Reading | ❖ The Brannan Blog Tue, 25 May 2010 15:22:40 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81739 <p>[...] Blogging the Trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back - Now, if you watch the prequels before the original trilogy (in chronological order), the ending of Empire is completely without weight. The biggest reveal in the history of cinema is ruined. Sure, there’s the dramatic irony of watching Episode IV and V knowing Luke and Leia are siblings and Vader is their father, but it’s not played for dramatic irony; for that you need suspense, and the climax of Empire is dependent on surprise, not suspense. It is the reason I will ensure that my children not watch the prequels until they’ve seen the original trilogy (in whatever form it exists by that point). [...]</p> [...] Blogging the Trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back – Now, if you watch the prequels before the original trilogy (in chronological order), the ending of Empire is completely without weight. The biggest reveal in the history of cinema is ruined. Sure, there’s the dramatic irony of watching Episode IV and V knowing Luke and Leia are siblings and Vader is their father, but it’s not played for dramatic irony; for that you need suspense, and the climax of Empire is dependent on surprise, not suspense. It is the reason I will ensure that my children not watch the prequels until they’ve seen the original trilogy (in whatever form it exists by that point). [...]

]]> By: John http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81728 John Mon, 24 May 2010 14:42:09 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81728 <p>"Tonal consistence is something I often go on about at length, especially when it comes to movies. It means, to my mind, that nothing in the movie feels out of place; characters behave as expected; there are no major plot holes; there’s nothing that brings you out of the experience to remind you that you’re watching a movie."</p> <p>I agree completely, and yet this is the one reason I don't care for "Empire". I just can't get past "omg there's a muppet in star wars". That and the giant time-warp that Luke apparently steps into to get years of Jedi training in the time that Han doesn't even change clothes.</p> “Tonal consistence is something I often go on about at length, especially when it comes to movies. It means, to my mind, that nothing in the movie feels out of place; characters behave as expected; there are no major plot holes; there’s nothing that brings you out of the experience to remind you that you’re watching a movie.”

I agree completely, and yet this is the one reason I don’t care for “Empire”. I just can’t get past “omg there’s a muppet in star wars”. That and the giant time-warp that Luke apparently steps into to get years of Jedi training in the time that Han doesn’t even change clothes.

]]> By: Kane Gruber http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81727 Kane Gruber Mon, 24 May 2010 14:20:53 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81727 <p>Having read the Leigh Brackett first draft, I can say that she added NONE of the sparkling dialog we've come to know and love in "Empire". In fact, the remains of her dialog are essentially "Ben... Ben..." and some toss-off procedural line.</p> <p>Not to take away from Brackett's memory, but Kasdan wrote the good stuff.</p> Having read the Leigh Brackett first draft, I can say that she added NONE of the sparkling dialog we’ve come to know and love in “Empire”. In fact, the remains of her dialog are essentially “Ben… Ben…” and some toss-off procedural line.

Not to take away from Brackett’s memory, but Kasdan wrote the good stuff.

]]> By: Ludor http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81725 Ludor Mon, 24 May 2010 13:46:19 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81725 <p>Great essay. Thank you.</p> Great essay. Thank you.

]]> By: Some quick thoughts on the end of Lost : tanque http://doombot.com/2005/08/15/blogging-the-trilogy-the-empire-strikes-back/comment-page-1/#comment-81723 Some quick thoughts on the end of Lost : tanque Mon, 24 May 2010 12:20:23 +0000 http://www.doombot.com/wordpress/?p=82#comment-81723 <p>[...] links to this essay on the re-release of Empire Strikes Back in 2005: It remains one of the most tonally consistent, immersive movies that I have ever seen. Tonal [...]</p> [...] links to this essay on the re-release of Empire Strikes Back in 2005: It remains one of the most tonally consistent, immersive movies that I have ever seen. Tonal [...]

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